Hi laopa,
I've done some research on the net, and from this, it doesn't look like the issue is yours; there are many posts mentioning that drag and drop has been disabled in Internet Explorer 8.
It may be a setting that is required in ie8, or it may be disabled altogether.
Leave it with me; I'll try to do some tests for myself over the next couple of days, and will report back.
In the meantime, if you want to use Neo's SafeKeys with web browsers, I can verify that it works with the latest versions of Firefox, Google Chrome and Apple Safari (all of which allow drag and drop).
Neo.
laopa
Member
Hi Neo,
Thanks for getting back so quickly. I do have to say however that I am having the same problem with Firefox 3.5.3, where I can also not Drag and Drop with Safekeys. That could be the NoScript Extension though?
The other similar program I downloaded, after reading Gizmo's Tech Support Alert Web Site and recommendations, seems to work i.e. MOK. Do these work in a similar way?
I do however much prefer the GUI for Safekey's and operational choices.
Thanks again for the program and the help.
laopa
Hi laopa,
Hmm. I have Firefox 3.5.3 with NoScript, running XP Pro as well, and I am able to drag and drop from Neo's SafeKeys without a problem. There is something else at play here, and I'd like to find out what it is, so I can fix it for you.
In order to assist me to diagnose the issue, can you answer these questions:
When you have highlighted the pasword ******* text (say, by double-clicking the text), then you have clicked the text (keeping the mouse down), and begun the drag, do you see a 'no drop' icon (it looks like a circle with a line through it) in place of the mouse pointer?
If you do see the 'no drop' icon, does it continue to show as you drag over the Firefox input box, or does the mouse pointer change?
If the mouse pointer changes, what does it change to?
Also, can you drag-drop between Neo's SafeKeys and WordPad? (Be aware that I do mean WordPad - not Notepad. WordPad allows dragging and dropping, but Notepad does not.)
I would like to be able to solve this issue for you. I'm sure you're not the only one having this problem.
Answering your question on MOK, it's not a bad program. From a security standpoint, it does offer protection against keyboard loggers, and protection against some clipboard loggers.
However, it does not offer any screen logging protection, or full clipboard protection.
From a security standpoint, I do not trust anything that puts the password in the clipboard. And I would recommend that you don't either. To further explain, I have developed my own test keylogging/screenlogging/clipboard logging application, and it captures Mouse only Keyboard passwords from the clipboard every time. The clipboard is unsafe, no matter what you try...and MOK only uses the clipboard.
Let me know how you go...
Neo.
laopa
Member
Hi Neo,
I'll get to your questions but the bottom line is that my problem is using Sandboxie (www.sandboxie.com.) I use Sandboxie for browsing the web and place my web browsers into that program. Clearly it does not allow Drag and Drop from Safekeys.
If I open Firefox as normal and do not put into the Sandbox, Safekeys Drag and Drop works. It even works for IE8, if not in the Sandbox.
In terms of your questions. When my browsers are in Sanboxie once I enter the pasword etc. and try to drag and drop it all I get is the "no drop" circle with a cross through it.
Yes, I can Drag and Drop into Wordpad.
Clearly the issue is between Safekeys and Sandboxie. Nice if it could be resolved they are both excellent programs.
Thanks and I will keep an eye on this.
laopa
Hi laopa,
Ah! That makes sense! Sandboxes lock off any interaction between sandboxed applications, and the rest of the system.
I've just downloaded Sandboxie, and have run Neo's SafeKeys and Internet Explorer within the same sandbox, and can do drag-drop between them. (See screenshot, link below:)
http://www.aplin.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/SandboxieAndNeosSafeKeys.PNG
This doesn't work if Neo's SafeKeys is not within the same sandbox as the browser.
Is this different to how you have used Sandboxie? Please note that this is my first time using Sandboxie (thought I've read up on it before), I may be using it in an incorrect way, or maybe even unsafe way?
Am I going down the right track?
Cheers,
Neo.
laopa
Member
Hi Neo,
That is great and is typical that I did not figure that out for myself.
I had not put Safekeys into the Sandbox along with the browsers before your comment.
I tried it myself and it does work. Now all I have to do is open the browsers I use and Safekeys in Sandboxie and everything is cool. The two programs together would have to boost my level of web security me thinks.
Certainly our log-ons, user details and passwords would have to be better protected using Safekeys alone but maybe even better inside Sandboxie.
While I have been using Sandboxie for a number of years I would never claim to be an expert. The real expert is this guy Ronen Tzur (tzuk@sandboxie.com) who wrote Sandboxie. He would probably be interested to hear about you program and the fact that the two programs can work together to give extra levels of browsing security.
I do not thing it is unsafe but you should seek a comment from Ronen.
I am always amazed at how much junk has collected in the Sandbox when it comes time to terminate the browsers I have been using and delete the sandbox. Junk that I consciously did not request.
Well thanks again for working through this "problem" with me. I think the end result is something that could benefit a lot of web users.
I will still keep an eye on this.
Thanks
laopa
Hi laopa,
Thanks for the post - great to know it works for you.
...and just as I had installed Internet Explorer 8, to confirm that Neo's SafeKeys does work with IE8 for me too! ;)
I'll do some more research into Sandboxie to see if there are any extra synergies that can be gained from using Neo's SafeKeys and Sandboxie together.
Cheers!
Neo.
ulstr
Member
Apologies for digging up this older thread but I believe my problem is related...
I am using a HIPS product called Defense Wall, hi-level it puts all internet gateway applications within one giant sandbox that is permanent until you disable or make those applications trusted. I am trying to use this software in collab with your Soft-keys software but no luck so far... I was completely stumped why this was happening until I came across this thread. Can anyone confirm this and or offer a recommendation to solve the problem? Perhaps I need to make the soft-keys app untrusted just like my browsers?
Here is the link to the software in question.. let me know what you think.. in the mean time I will do some more testing/tinkering to get it working.
ulstR
ulstr
Member
Just as a follow-up I was able to get this working if I sandbox the browsers and Safe keys within the defense wall. I guess this is triple protection, perhaps I am over doing it.
Neo, what is the most secure product that is available today? Are there tools that are more secure than your product? I would assume they would not be free like your tool :> just curious..
Thanks!
ps. apologies for the reference to "Soft-Keys" in my previous post I meant "Safe-Keys.
Hi ulstr,
Glad you figured it out - yes, SafeKeys needs to be in the same sandbox as the application you want it to drag-drop to.
As part of most (all?) Sandbox protections, dragging and dropping won't work between secure and unsecure 'zones'.
Neo, what is the most secure product that is available today? Are there tools that are more secure than your product? I would assume they would not be free like your tool :> just curious..
There are so many security options available today (firewalls, scanners, sandboxing etc) - it's confusing to many people and takes a serious hobbiest to know what's best...and I'm no expert on these things (though I profess to love sandboxing as a concept). Do note that there are some great free security tools out there - you just need to know where to find them and what to trust.
There are two community sites that I refer to about these things:
Gizmo's Freeware (Security page: http://www.techsupportalert.com/pc/security-tools.html)
Wilders Security (forum: http://www.wilderssecurity.com)
Neo.
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