http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/tags/sandbox Go to www.aplin.com.au/forums for new forum en-US Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:49:22 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/search.php http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/ie-806-and-drag-and-drop-no-go-for-me#post-62 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:22:49 +0000 neo 62@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi ulstr,</p> <p>Glad you figured it out - yes, SafeKeys needs to be in the same sandbox as the application you want it to drag-drop to.<br /> As part of most (all?) Sandbox protections, dragging and dropping won't work between secure and unsecure 'zones'.</p> <blockquote><p>Neo, what is the most secure product that is available today? Are there tools that are more secure than your product? I would assume they would not be free like your tool :&gt; just curious..</p></blockquote> <p>There are so many security options available today (firewalls, scanners, sandboxing etc) - it's confusing to many people and takes a serious hobbiest to know what's best...and I'm no expert on these things (though I profess to love sandboxing as a concept). Do note that there are some great free security tools out there - you just need to know where to find them and what to trust.</p> <p>There are two community sites that I refer to about these things:<br /> Gizmo's Freeware (Security page: <a href="http://www.techsupportalert.com/pc/security-tools.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.techsupportalert.com/pc/security-tools.html)</a><br /> Wilders Security (forum: <a href="http://www.wilderssecurity.com)" rel="nofollow">http://www.wilderssecurity.com)</a></p> <p>Neo. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/ie-806-and-drag-and-drop-no-go-for-me#post-61 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:47:08 +0000 ulstr 61@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Just as a follow-up I was able to get this working if I sandbox the browsers and Safe keys within the defense wall. I guess this is triple protection, perhaps I am over doing it. </p> <p>Neo, what is the most secure product that is available today? Are there tools that are more secure than your product? I would assume they would not be free like your tool :&gt; just curious..</p> <p>Thanks!</p> <p>ps. apologies for the reference to "Soft-Keys" in my previous post I meant "Safe-Keys. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/ie-806-and-drag-and-drop-no-go-for-me#post-60 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:21:03 +0000 ulstr 60@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Apologies for digging up this older thread but I believe my problem is related...</p> <p>I am using a HIPS product called Defense Wall, hi-level it puts all internet gateway applications within one giant sandbox that is permanent until you disable or make those applications trusted. I am trying to use this software in collab with your Soft-keys software but no luck so far... I was completely stumped why this was happening until I came across this thread. Can anyone confirm this and or offer a recommendation to solve the problem? Perhaps I need to make the soft-keys app untrusted just like my browsers?</p> <p>Here is the link to the software in question.. let me know what you think.. in the mean time I will do some more testing/tinkering to get it working.</p> <p><a href="http://www.softsphere.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.softsphere.com/</a></p> <p>ulstR </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/ie-806-and-drag-and-drop-no-go-for-me#post-51 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:16:06 +0000 neo 51@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi laopa,</p> <p>Thanks for the post - great to know it works for you.</p> <p>...and just as I had installed Internet Explorer 8, to confirm that Neo's SafeKeys does work with IE8 for me too! ;)</p> <p>I'll do some more research into Sandboxie to see if there are any extra synergies that can be gained from using Neo's SafeKeys and Sandboxie together.</p> <p>Cheers!</p> <p>Neo. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/ie-806-and-drag-and-drop-no-go-for-me#post-50 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:05:55 +0000 laopa 50@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi Neo,</p> <p>That is great and is typical that I did not figure that out for myself.</p> <p>I had not put Safekeys into the Sandbox along with the browsers before your comment.</p> <p>I tried it myself and it does work. Now all I have to do is open the browsers I use and Safekeys in Sandboxie and everything is cool. The two programs together would have to boost my level of web security me thinks.</p> <p>Certainly our log-ons, user details and passwords would have to be better protected using Safekeys alone but maybe even better inside Sandboxie.</p> <p>While I have been using Sandboxie for a number of years I would never claim to be an expert. The real expert is this guy Ronen Tzur (tzuk@sandboxie.com) who wrote Sandboxie. He would probably be interested to hear about you program and the fact that the two programs can work together to give extra levels of browsing security.</p> <p>I do not thing it is unsafe but you should seek a comment from Ronen.</p> <p>I am always amazed at how much junk has collected in the Sandbox when it comes time to terminate the browsers I have been using and delete the sandbox. Junk that I consciously did not request.</p> <p>Well thanks again for working through this "problem" with me. I think the end result is something that could benefit a lot of web users.</p> <p>I will still keep an eye on this.</p> <p>Thanks</p> <p>laopa </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/ie-806-and-drag-and-drop-no-go-for-me#post-49 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:24:56 +0000 neo 49@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi laopa,</p> <p>Ah! That makes sense! Sandboxes lock off any interaction between sandboxed applications, and the rest of the system. </p> <p>I've just downloaded Sandboxie, and have run Neo's SafeKeys and Internet Explorer within the same sandbox, and can do drag-drop between them. (See screenshot, link below:)<br /> <a href="http://www.aplin.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/SandboxieAndNeosSafeKeys.PNG" rel="nofollow">http://www.aplin.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/SandboxieAndNeosSafeKeys.PNG</a></p> <p>This doesn't work if Neo's SafeKeys is not within the same sandbox as the browser.</p> <p>Is this different to how you have used Sandboxie? Please note that this is my first time using Sandboxie (thought I've read up on it before), I may be using it in an incorrect way, or maybe even unsafe way?</p> <p>Am I going down the right track?</p> <p>Cheers,</p> <p>Neo. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/ie-806-and-drag-and-drop-no-go-for-me#post-48 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:24:25 +0000 laopa 48@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi Neo,</p> <p>I'll get to your questions but the bottom line is that my problem is using Sandboxie (www.sandboxie.com.) I use Sandboxie for browsing the web and place my web browsers into that program. Clearly it does not allow Drag and Drop from Safekeys.</p> <p>If I open Firefox as normal and do not put into the Sandbox, Safekeys Drag and Drop works. It even works for IE8, if not in the Sandbox.</p> <p>In terms of your questions. When my browsers are in Sanboxie once I enter the pasword etc. and try to drag and drop it all I get is the "no drop" circle with a cross through it.</p> <p>Yes, I can Drag and Drop into Wordpad.</p> <p>Clearly the issue is between Safekeys and Sandboxie. Nice if it could be resolved they are both excellent programs.</p> <p>Thanks and I will keep an eye on this.</p> <p>laopa </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/ie-806-and-drag-and-drop-no-go-for-me#post-47 Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:18:03 +0000 neo 47@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi laopa,</p> <p>Hmm. I have Firefox 3.5.3 with NoScript, running XP Pro as well, and I am able to drag and drop from Neo's SafeKeys without a problem. There is something else at play here, and I'd like to find out what it is, so I can fix it for you.</p> <p>In order to assist me to diagnose the issue, can you answer these questions:</p> <p>When you have highlighted the pasword ******* text (say, by double-clicking the text), then you have clicked the text (keeping the mouse down), and begun the drag, do you see a 'no drop' icon (it looks like a circle with a line through it) in place of the mouse pointer?<br /> If you do see the 'no drop' icon, does it continue to show as you drag over the Firefox input box, or does the mouse pointer change?<br /> If the mouse pointer changes, what does it change to?</p> <p>Also, can you drag-drop between Neo's SafeKeys and WordPad? (Be aware that I do mean WordPad - not Notepad. WordPad allows dragging and dropping, but Notepad does not.)</p> <p>I would like to be able to solve this issue for you. I'm sure you're not the only one having this problem.</p> <p>Answering your question on MOK, it's not a bad program. From a security standpoint, it does offer protection against keyboard loggers, and protection against some clipboard loggers.<br /> However, it does not offer any screen logging protection, or full clipboard protection.<br /> From a security standpoint, I do not trust anything that puts the password in the clipboard. And I would recommend that you don't either. To further explain, I have developed my own test keylogging/screenlogging/clipboard logging application, and it captures Mouse only Keyboard passwords from the clipboard every time. The clipboard is unsafe, no matter what you try...and MOK only uses the clipboard.</p> <p>Let me know how you go...</p> <p>Neo. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/ie-806-and-drag-and-drop-no-go-for-me#post-46 Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:40:11 +0000 laopa 46@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi Neo,</p> <p>Thanks for getting back so quickly. I do have to say however that I am having the same problem with Firefox 3.5.3, where I can also not Drag and Drop with Safekeys. That could be the NoScript Extension though?</p> <p>The other similar program I downloaded, after reading Gizmo's Tech Support Alert Web Site and recommendations, seems to work i.e. MOK. Do these work in a similar way?</p> <p>I do however much prefer the GUI for Safekey's and operational choices.</p> <p>Thanks again for the program and the help.</p> <p>laopa </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/ie-806-and-drag-and-drop-no-go-for-me#post-45 Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:30:22 +0000 neo 45@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi laopa,</p> <p>I've done some research on the net, and from this, it doesn't look like the issue is yours; there are many posts mentioning that drag and drop has been disabled in Internet Explorer 8.</p> <p>It may be a setting that is required in ie8, or it may be disabled altogether.<br /> Leave it with me; I'll try to do some tests for myself over the next couple of days, and will report back.</p> <p>In the meantime, if you want to use Neo's SafeKeys with web browsers, I can verify that it works with the latest versions of Firefox, Google Chrome and Apple Safari (all of which allow drag and drop).</p> <p>Neo. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/ie-806-and-drag-and-drop-no-go-for-me#post-44 Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:20:31 +0000 laopa 44@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi,</p> <p>Newbie questions and comments. I cannot get Safekey's Drag and Drop to work with Internet Explorer 8.06. I have watched the YouTube Video but that does not wok for me?</p> <p>Could there be something I am doing wrong or missing?</p> <p>O/S is WinXP Pro.</p> <p>Help?</p> <p>laopa </p>