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Aplin Software Forum » Tag: clipboard - Recent Posts http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/tags/clipboard Discuss Neo's SafeKeys here en-US Tue, 07 Sep 2010 08:14:30 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 <![CDATA[Search]]> q http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/search.php neo on "Drag & Drop / TrueCrypt" http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/drag-038-drop-truecrypt#post-37 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:08:27 +0000 neo 37@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ Hi Blake, I've just created a short demonstration video on how to do the dragging and dropping. You'll be able to access it at: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=honY4H1f_z0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=honY4H1f_z0</a> Hope it assists you. Copy pasting is not recommended at all, as many keyloggers also monitor the clipboard. Dragging and dropping is the only technique that I know to be safe. Neo. Blake on "Drag & Drop / TrueCrypt" http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/drag-038-drop-truecrypt#post-36 Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:27:10 +0000 Blake 36@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ Hello i just down loaded the Key board and have no idea on how you drag and drop via to get into my email account i am sorry for taking time out of your day to get a petty question answered. Also would copy/pasting the ***** from the key board to notepad then copy/paste it to what you want or is that just as dangerous?. neo on "Drag & Drop / TrueCrypt" http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/drag-038-drop-truecrypt#post-34 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:16:20 +0000 neo 34@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ Hi paffke, Thanks for the post. Yes, I'm aware that TrueCrypt doesn't allow drag-drop. Same as Opera, World of Warcraft and some other applications. I have spent a lot of time finding ways to get around this, and to improve Neo's SafeKeys in general. However, in my extensive research and testing, I've found that dragging and dropping is the only safe technique to use. I use some commercial and freeware keyloggers to test the effectiveness of Neo's SafeKeys, and to test possible new features. I have even written my own keylogging program that does keyboard, clipboard and screenshot logging - for my personal testing purposes only. I have looked at Mouse only Keyboard. It's not a bad application, and it does defeat programs that only do keylogging. But I know that it isn't very effective against clipboard loggers. My test keylogging application captures Mouse only Keyboard passwords every time. ...and as much as I'd love for Neo's SafeKeys to work with all applications, I don't want to use the clipboard, which is inherently unsafe. Cheers, Neo paffke on "Drag & Drop / TrueCrypt" http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/drag-038-drop-truecrypt#post-29 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:13:42 +0000 paffke 29@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ Hello there. First off, thank you for providing the community with your "safe" on-screen-keyboard, it certainly plugs a hole many people aren't even aware of. Unfortunately, as seems to have been discovered with other programs as well (Opera?), some applications won't work as "recipients" of SafeKeys drag/drop operation, in this case i'm talking about TrueCrypt. This is very unfortunate, as passwords to encrypted filesystems are obviously quite "valuable" and there is really no other option in TrueCrypt than to enter your keyphrase using an inherently unsafe keyboard. Now, i know it's definitely not your fault that the people programming TrueCrypt wrote their software the way they did, but maybe there'd be other ways to send a password to a target application than just drag and drop? A software similar to your's, called "mouse only keyboard" seems to use a sort of locked clipboard that cannot be read by keyloggers monitoring your clipboard, maybe this could be an alternative? neo on "Drag/Drop vs Copy/Paste" http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/dragdrop-vs-copypaste#post-25 Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:07:06 +0000 neo 25@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ Hi Jonah, Sorry about the late reply- I've been camping in the bush for the past 9 days. Out of phone coverage and without computer. Glad you like the install edition. I'll look at the manual aspect, and see if I can improve on this. Thanks for the tip. <blockquote>And now, why can I not choose my own password. I want one that I can easily remember. When I reset my password I got one that is a combination of letters and numbers in lower and upper case form. I wrote it down, but it is too cumbersome to use. I have already chosen one that would be good fo me. It is in a foreign language (not English). </blockquote> Aaah. After the line It is in a foreign language (not English) I think I understand what's going on here. There is a known issue with non-English keyboards and the random characters feature (see <a href="http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/internationalisation-bug)" rel="nofollow">http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/internationalisation-bug)</a>. I'm beginning work on the next major version of Neo's SafeKeys, which should resolve these issues. Can I ask what language keyboard layout you're using? In the meantime, you may wish to simply avoid the 'Hide password in amongst random characters' feature on your non-English keyboard, until the next version is out. <blockquote>p.s. I still have the first one on my desktop. Can I use that on my flash drive, or do I have to download it from your website? </blockquote> Yes you can use it - no need to download it. Cheers, Neo. Jonah on "Drag/Drop vs Copy/Paste" http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/dragdrop-vs-copypaste#post-23 Thu, 25 Dec 2008 15:49:00 +0000 Jonah 23@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ Dear Neo, The installed edition is great. I downloaded and opened the zip file and a new icon is now on my desktop. I can open the application with just one click, leave it on the desktop and when I need it to create a password, I can bring it up with alt/tab. I went to the features section and printed out the explanatory manual. Big problem for me. Although all the icons on the screen manual are clear, the printed version not so. All the icons are very, very small, miniscule is a better word. Can you make them much larger on the screen mode so that they will print out clearly. And while on the subject of clarity, the icons on the on-screen keys are too small to discern their function. And now, why can I not choose my own password. I want one that I can easily remember. When I reset my password I got one that is a combination of letters and numbers in lower and upper case form. I wrote it down, but it is too cumbersome to use. I have already chosen one that would be good fo me. It is in a foreign language (not English). Thanks, Jonah p.s. I still have the first one on my desktop. Can I use that on my flash drive, or do I have to download it from your website? neo on "Drag/Drop vs Copy/Paste" http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/dragdrop-vs-copypaste#post-22 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:31:18 +0000 neo 22@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ Hi Jonah, I've taken your issue on board, and have now created a new 'version' of Neo's SafeKeys for you, and users like yourself. If you go to the Download page (<a href="http://www.aplin.com.au/?page_id=338)" rel="nofollow">http://www.aplin.com.au/?page_id=338)</a>, you'll see that you can now download a 'Neo's SafeKeys 2008 Install'. This is a setup program that will set up Neo's SafeKeys on your computer and will create menu icons in the Start -> Programs menu. I believe that this is what you're after? (The 'Neo's SafeKeys 2008 Portable' is the same version of Neo's SafeKeys - but just the .exe program.) Let me know how you go with the Install edition. Cheers, Neo. Jonah on "Drag/Drop vs Copy/Paste" http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/dragdrop-vs-copypaste#post-21 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:53:47 +0000 Jonah 21@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ Thanks for your reply. You wrote: It will be where you saved it after you downloaded it. Try downloading it again to the Desktop, so you can use it from there whenever you need it. Your icon is on my desktop. When I run it, the application appears immediately on my desk top. 1. How do I save it? I did not get the choice where to save it to. 2. How do I create an icon in my tray that would appear each time I start my computer? Thanks, Jonah neo on "Drag/Drop vs Copy/Paste" http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/dragdrop-vs-copypaste#post-20 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:16:14 +0000 neo 20@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ Hi Jonah, As it's designed for portable use, Neo's SafeKeys doesn't 'install' itself. So you won't find it in the Start -> Programs menu. It will be where you saved it after you downloaded it. Try downloading it again to the Desktop, so you can use it from there whenever you need it. Let me know how you go. Neo. Jonah on "Drag/Drop vs Copy/Paste" http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/dragdrop-vs-copypaste#post-19 Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:19:43 +0000 Jonah 19@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ I downloaded the neo safekey utility. However, after I closed my computer and then re-opened it I cannot find any icon that would activate the utility. Where is it hiding? Thanks, Jonah neo on "Drag/Drop vs Copy/Paste" http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/dragdrop-vs-copypaste#post-7 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:53:22 +0000 neo 7@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ Hi @MurrayDW, Cutting and pasting (using Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V) is actually very risky. Some keyloggers also capture the contents of the clipboard (quite a trivial thing to do). I'd strongly recommend you use the drag-drop method, as in all of my research (and I've done a heap), I cannot find any way for a keylogger to be programmed to capture information from a drag-drop event. I was thinking of disabling the cut-paste from future versions of Neo's SafeKeys. What do you think? Neo. MurrayDW on "Drag/Drop vs Copy/Paste" http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/dragdrop-vs-copypaste#post-6 Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:06:18 +0000 MurrayDW 6@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ First, thank you for writing this utility. It fills a vital security space for computer road warriors. Out of curiosity, if I enter a password using your virtual keyboard, then copy to the clipboard using CTRL-C, then paste to my password entry box with CTRL-V, is that less secure than using a mouse drag-drop? In other words, can a malicious keylogger know what text I'm cutting and pasting via the clipboard?