http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/forum/neos-safekeys-forum Discuss Neo's SafeKeys here en-US Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:09:57 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/search.php http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/create-a-new-keyboard#post-131 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 07:22:26 +0000 sphenoide 131@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Thanks for the Swiss French keyboard - I've uploaded it to the site (<a href="http://www.aplin.com.au/neos-safekeys-v3/keyboard-layouts)" rel="nofollow">http://www.aplin.com.au/neos-safekeys-v3/keyboard-layouts)</a>.</p> <p>You're wellcome</p> <p>I'm wondering if the beep on hover entry issue is related to the hover delay issues. When you say it doesn't work (or works rarely), can you tell me the symptoms. I haven't heard this before and would like to get it resolved.</p> <p>No relation with the hover delay. I only got a result when putting a *wav file in the Neo's folder. Now the beep works. Do you have any explanation ?</p> <p>Long Hover Delay times: Through testing with friends/family, I noticed that some people needed a good deal of time to be sure the correct key is entered when using "hidden mouse and hover delay" mode. I've given people the ability to choose. :) </p> <p>OK. I thought it was in relation with the security (against keeloggers).</p> <p>The keyboard entry features no longer exist in V3. In between the previous version and v3, many keyloggers evolved that were able to circumvent some of these features...and your password is still being typed; I decided that it is no longer very safe to use. I've kept Neo's SafeKeys 2008 up on the website should people still want to use these features.</p> <p>OK</p> <p>I'm very surprised that Neo's SafeKeys affects KeyScrambler. I have a feeling that I know why. Warning: tech speak...<br /> In order to disable the Print Screen keyboard key, Neo's SafeKeys v3 'hooks' the keyboard so it can discard print screen button presses. It appears as though KeyScrambler may also use this 'hook' technique and that there is a conflict. Not sure if there is a workaround though. I'll look into it.</p> <p>Surely there is a little conflict with KeyScrambler Pro ...</p> <p>Thank you ! </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/could-this-be-a-problem-for-safekeys#post-130 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 01:19:21 +0000 timcs 130@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi</p> <p> I stumbled across your application as I have been working on one for myself :). I would like to make you aware of the 3rd party screen grabbing that I tested on your application which I have also been struggling to prevent. Your application does not stop this method from grabbing the keyboard as well so I thought I'd let you know about it.</p> <p> This 3rd party method is one used by Corel Paint shop pro. I wondered if that their application can grab your application would this method be able to be used via keyloggers/clickloggers? . </p> <p>I hope this is of some help with your development of this software and it may mean I do not have to proceed with the development of mine :) . </p> <p>Cheers</p> <p>TimCS </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/create-a-new-keyboard#post-129 Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:35:06 +0000 MrAnybody 129@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Heads up Neo - Can you edit your above link to exclude the ')'? </p> <p>Some people might not spot it, and think the page is just unavailable.</p> <p>Thanks for the keyboards. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/drag-drop-to-keepass#post-128 Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:30:24 +0000 MrAnybody 128@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>I'm using v3 with Keepass v2.13. Drag-drop works. No issues for me. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/run-time-error-339#post-127 Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:25:01 +0000 MrAnybody 127@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>I very much look forward to the updated portable version. That would definately take care of my present needs.</p> <p>As you're using XP, if you need a beta tester (using Win7 Ultimate 32bit, UK English), I'm happy to help.</p> <p>Many thanks. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/create-a-new-keyboard#post-126 Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:52:47 +0000 neo 126@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Thanks for the Swiss French keyboard - I've uploaded it to the site (<a href="http://www.aplin.com.au/neos-safekeys-v3/keyboard-layouts)" rel="nofollow">http://www.aplin.com.au/neos-safekeys-v3/keyboard-layouts)</a>.</p> <p>I'm wondering if the beep on hover entry issue is related to the hover delay issues. I'll email you to find more information.</p> <p>Long Hover Delay times: Through testing with friends/family, I noticed that some people needed a good deal of time to be sure the correct key is entered when using "hidden mouse and hover delay" mode. I've given people the ability to choose. :)</p> <p>The keyboard entry features no longer exist in V3. In between the previous version and v3, many keyloggers evolved that were able to circumvent some of these features...and your password is still being typed; I decided that it was no longer a very safe feature set. </p> <p>I'm very surprised that Neo's SafeKeys affects KeyScrambler. I have a feeling that I know why. Warning: tech speak...<br /> In order to disable the Print Screen keyboard key, Neo's SafeKeys v3 'hooks' the keyboard so it can discard print screen button presses. It appears as though KeyScrambler may also use this 'hook' technique and that there is a conflict. Not sure if there is a workaround though. I'll look into it. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/gray-dot-not-visible#post-125 Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:22:22 +0000 neo 125@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi bearbottoms. This is working as designed. The grey dot has been designed to be exactly the same colour as the keyboard, so if a screenlogger is able to take a screen shot of the desktop (and Neo's SafeKeys), then your cursor position will be hidden. If you can see the grey dot, then that screenlogger also can 'see' the grey dot.</p> <p>I'm sure you notice that the cursor turns to normal when it's not over the keyboard; my tip is to watch the cursor carefully as you move it to the keyboard. Then look carefully as you slowly move the cursor around - you'll see the grey dot when it moves over the gap between the keys and when it moves over the key label.</p> <p>Yes, it's quite slow work when using this mode, but it is the last defence against the very rare screenloggers that can take screenshots of Neo's SafeKeys. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/run-time-error-339#post-124 Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:13:30 +0000 neo 124@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Thanks for the posts MrAnybody - particularly the tip with Windows 7 compatibility (I'm still using XP).</p> <p>Neo's SafeKeys v3 should also run if you place a copy of the MSCOMCTL.OCX file in the same directory as the SafeKeys program.</p> <p>I'm working on an updated portable version that doesn't rely on an installed Windows MSCOMCTL.OCX file, but also doesn't need admin privileges to install. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/gray-dot-not-visible#post-123 Wed, 08 Sep 2010 07:07:13 +0000 bearbottoms 123@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>The only way I can see the gray dot when I choose "Hidden Mouse Hover entry" is to increase the transparency and place it over a non-white background. There is simply not enough contrast. Can you suggest a remedy?</p> <p>My desktop is blue, so I can place SafeKeys over it and put the browser to the side (as the browser usually has a white background and the transparency of SafeKeys over that puts it off-white or near light gray in which the gray dot is not visible.) So I have to size the window of the browser in order to accommodate space for SafeKeys to the side of it. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/run-time-error-339#post-122 Wed, 08 Sep 2010 06:28:10 +0000 MrAnybody 122@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>UPDATE:</p> <p>For those that run into the above error, SafeKeys will run fine once you check 'Run this program as an Administrator'.</p> <p>This can be found in the Compatibility tab of Properties for SafeKeys v3 (right-click the application for Properties).</p> <p>Hope this helps someone.</p> <p>Of course, this is a real wall if you need to run SafeKeys on a box you suspect, and you don't have the admin rights (like an internet cafe, airport etc).</p> <p>Any work around for this, Neo? </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/run-time-error-339#post-121 Wed, 08 Sep 2010 02:36:26 +0000 MrAnybody 121@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Neo,</p> <p>My many thanks for keeping Safekeys alive and well.</p> <p>I get the above runtime error each time I run v3 after unpacking the zip. I've downloaded a couple of times to be sure the zip is not corrupt, but still no joy.</p> <p>Specifically, I get:<br /> "Component 'MSCOMCTL.OCX or one of its dependencies not correctly registered: a file is missing or invalid"</p> <p>What to do?</p> <p>Running Win7 32bit.</p> <p>Many thanks. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/create-a-new-keyboard#post-120 Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:35:59 +0000 sphenoide 120@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi, </p> <p>Thank you for your answer.</p> <p>I dont’t exactely understand why you suggest to edit the *ini file although the keyboard layout is in a *ing file.<br /> But it doesn’t matter. I’ve made a new Swiss French keyboard *ing file (see attachment) that could be useful to other users.</p> <p>Having said that, I notice 2 bugs (on my PC) :<br /> - The 2 cursors (hover delay and transparency) don’t work (or very rarely !).<br /> - No bip with « beep on hover entry ».</p> <p>Furthermore,<br /> - What is the usefulness of a long (2500 ms) « hover delay » ?<br /> - Do the previous keyboard entry features (Scramble the on-screen keys etc.) still exist in the V3 ?<br /> - I noticed that when Neo’s safekeys is active, it deactivates my KeyScrambler software.</p> <p>See you soon </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/create-a-new-keyboard#post-119 Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:45:26 +0000 neo 119@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Thanks for the post. It looks as though there is a bug there that I need to resolve.</p> <p>In the meantime, I have created a page for keyboard layouts, and have placed one that was sent in by a user, Tomas. </p> <p><a href="http://www.aplin.com.au/neos-safekeys-v3/keyboard-layouts" rel="nofollow">http://www.aplin.com.au/neos-safekeys-v3/keyboard-layouts</a></p> <p>You should be able to customise Tomas' Czech/Slovak language file for your needs. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/create-a-new-keyboard#post-118 Sun, 05 Sep 2010 05:51:06 +0000 sphenoide 118@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Neo’s SafeKeys 3.1 </p> <p>Hello, I woul’d like to create a new keyboard but haven't understood the indications :</p> <p>« Create a copy of the NSKconfig.ini file (with a new name), and then edit this file ».</p> <p>But when editing this file, it only appears :</p> <p>[Settings]</p> <p>Transparency=252</p> <p>You say : « Simply replace the characters you wish to change ». How to do that ??</p> <p>Thanks ! </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/neo-safe-key-good-for-anti-hacker#post-117 Sat, 04 Sep 2010 18:05:09 +0000 susi 117@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi Neo</p> <p>I have tried injection mode from Neo Safe Key v3 to Yahoo Messenger. And it worked. Incredible.</p> <p>Thanks. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/neo-safe-key-good-for-anti-hacker#post-116 Fri, 03 Sep 2010 22:53:58 +0000 neo 116@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Though I haven't tried it myself, you may wish to see if the new Injection Mode in Neo's SafeKeys v3 allows for password transfers with Yahoo Messenger. I have a feeling that it may just work.</p> <p>Thanks so much for the post, Susi. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/neo-safe-key-good-for-anti-hacker#post-115 Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:05:23 +0000 susi 115@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi </p> <p>I am a new user Neo Safe Key. I used this program last months. This happens because of frequent theft of password in Facebook. </p> <p>The hackers use keylogger program, especially in the internet cafe where I often use. The aim is to steal chips poker in zynga texas holdem poker, the third biggest game in FB. </p> <p>I am delighted, with Neo Safe Key; I am free access without fear hacker can break my FB password.</p> <p>Only if there's a little advice, we recommend the Neo Safe Key applications can also be used in Yahoo Messenger (YM). I see drag and drop technique, can not be used in the YM. This is the point gap for hackers to break back in and steal the password.</p> <p>Lastly, I think the Safe Key Neo-makers will be given a place in heaven. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/saekeys-v3#post-114 Wed, 01 Sep 2010 09:40:29 +0000 neo 114@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>I'm currently redeveloping the site, that includes tutorials.</p> <p>The MD5 hash is a good idea - I'll look at implementing to give people piece of mind. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/saekeys-v3#post-113 Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:37:14 +0000 anon_private 113@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi,</p> <p>I have no reason to believe that Safekeys is available from any other site, but do you think it might be a good idea to post the md5 hash for your programme to ensure that if the programme is available elsewhere, and is downloaded, that it has not been adjusted in any way.</p> <p>Just a thought.</p> <p>Best wishes.</p> <p>A </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/saekeys-v3#post-112 Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:13:31 +0000 anon_private 112@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Thank you.</p> <p>Best wishes.</p> <p>A</p> <p>Ps. Is there a tutorial available. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/saekeys-v3#post-111 Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:06:40 +0000 neo 111@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Correct. That is the safest method. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/saekeys-v3#post-110 Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:56:37 +0000 anon_private 110@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Thanks for replying.</p> <p>I'll delete v2.</p> <p>Can I assume that with v3 the safest method of use is to use SafeKeys in Hidden Mouse and Hover Mode with the password mask enabled?</p> <p>Thanks </p> <p>A </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/saekeys-v3#post-109 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:42:36 +0000 neo 109@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>I'd suggest you updating to version 3, as it is more secure and offers some new features over the previous version (eg the new 'Injection mode').</p> <p>Please know that Neo's SafeKeys has been designed to augment security a Windows OS only. I haven't done any development, testing or security analysis on Linux. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/saekeys-v3#post-108 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:10:52 +0000 anon_private 108@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi,</p> <p>I have just noticed Safekeys v3.<br /> I have downloaded v3, but still have v2 on my machine. Is there any good reason to keep v2?</p> <p>I know that v2 is compatible with Linux via Wine.</p> <p>What is the situation regarding Linux running Firefox and v3?</p> <p>Best wishes</p> <p>Thanks</p> <p>A </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/neos-safekeys-v3-beta-publicly-available#post-104 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:09:57 +0000 neo 104@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Have been doing some investigations, but haven't found anything yet. Everything works great on my test/friend systems, and I can't find any reason for characters not coming up.</p> <p>...the only possible thing is that you may not have the correct font (but then the keys would also be blank). </p> <p>Sorry about the delay. If I come up with something, I'll let you know.. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/neos-safekeys-v3-beta-publicly-available#post-103 Wed, 19 May 2010 02:08:55 +0000 dom77 103@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>I dont see the green flash at all....I see no characters in the input box in standard/hover mode. I thought it was my HIPS program causing the issue, but i used the older versions of safekeys &amp; they worked fine with the program turned on. My PC not slow dual core duo :) Im guessing you changed something since the v3 alpha for my PC not to see no characters in the input box.</p> <p>The only programs im running in the background are Comodo Firewall 4.0 which i let safekeys have access to. Also Geswall its a HIPS program. If its denying safekeys something i would've seen a message. Geswall i selected safekeys as a untrusted &amp; trusted to start it so im trying every combo. Even compatibility mode vista/XP to open.</p> <p>Dom </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/neos-safekeys-v3-beta-publicly-available#post-102 Tue, 18 May 2010 23:26:31 +0000 neo 102@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi dom77,</p> <p>Strange bug...though I must say that I haven't been able to do any testing on Windows 7 (I'm still running XP).<br /> Will do some research though.<br /> One avenue of investigation is the protective layer; on slower computers it shows up as a quick green flash over the keyboard when SafeKeys starts. Do you see the green flash at all?<br /> Oh - and do any characters go to the input box at the bottom when you use either of the hover modes?</p> <p>As for the Colemak layout - this is possible. The keyboard layout is configurable. I'll be updating the beta in a day or so, and it improves the ease of keyboard layout management. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/neos-safekeys-v3-beta-publicly-available#post-101 Tue, 18 May 2010 04:17:44 +0000 dom77 101@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi neo</p> <p>I got a bug with the latest beta. If i try to click something it doesn't appear in the input box below the onscreen keyboard. I mean no characters, nothing! blank... The v3 alpha version &amp; earlier versions worked fine. I tested it using it on a usb drive &amp; in windows. I got the same result. </p> <p>Hopefully i can use the Colemak layout if needed im about to swtich :)</p> <p>Im on Windows 7 32bit </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/neos-safekeys-v3-beta-publicly-available#post-100 Sun, 09 May 2010 22:01:44 +0000 neo 100@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>Hi all,</p> <p>A quick post to advise you that Neo's SafeKeys v3 (beta) is now publicly available.</p> <p>You can download it from here:<br /> <a href="http://www.aplin.com.au/neos-safekeys-2008/future-beta-versions" rel="nofollow">http://www.aplin.com.au/neos-safekeys-2008/future-beta-versions</a></p> <p>This is the final beta before public release. Any suggestions for improvements would be greatly appreciated.</p> <p>Neo. </p> http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/topic/safekeys-and-ubuntu-linux#post-99 Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:17:17 +0000 neo 99@http://www.aplin.com.au/forum/ <p>This would be <em>incredibly</em> hard to say with any degree of certainty, and would be more a matter of opinion than anything else. </p>